Curse

Perishiko ReLLiK · May 19, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I don't know how much of a suggestion this is... but it has to be said... If i hear much more of these stupid kids shouting out slurs against the koreans/europeans, im gonna start screenshotting, and sending it in to anet.

Like, the first few times, it's kinda like... heh, dont say that... then i hear it again in my next group... umm, sry for my group...

We also need to teach these idiot americans(of course not all, im just narrowing it down to the idiots) that koreans CAN and DO speak english... i had one person reply to me "It was just a joke, cause i know they can't speak our language"

Sorry to tell yea... but just because you cant read korean, doesnt mean they dont know english, i myself have been talking with quite a few of them, and trust me... they know english perfectly fine.

Bottom line, there's no excuse for these kids to be like this... Seriously... i hope something can be done about such childish acts. It's like someone puts in a filter in the game, and then the kids go rampant, thinking they're (funny, or cool), which is certainly not the case.

Avenger · May 19, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

I agree 100 % !!!!!!! racial slurs have no place in a game like this. its NOT cool and quite frankly its RUDE.

sybban · May 19, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

If you don't speak korean then how do you know they aren't being racist towards us?

there are seperate districts for a reason, if more koreans started playing then there would be more districts.

Perishiko ReLLiK · May 19, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by sybban

If you don't speak korean then how do you know they aren't being racist towards us?

there are seperate districts for a reason, if more koreans started playing then there would be more districts.

You one of those little racists kids eh? No, there is no "Reason" to be racists... and i don't care what kind of an excuse people try to make, i will be screenshoting, and reporting.

And i know, because i have guildies that do speak a bit of korean, of course not completely fluent, but what does it matter... its only american racism that i've been seeing. When the koreans are talking, they are normaly just trying to get other korean teams to work together, that way they can take the favor of the gods. More then often they just use the simple click of a button so they cant hear what others are saying. But it still offends me to even consider myself "american" accoarding to what the majority of this gaming comunity is... or at least the majority in the Tournament area... which is where you see the other regions.

Edit:: There are plenty of koreans that play, lol... they just play at different times. There isnt a large majority of them on during "our" daytime... hence the fact that night time is when koreans keep the favor of the gods most of the time.

Yea... I find it funny that the koreans can work together for the tournament since they know it will be korea with the favor of the gods... an american team trying to "work" together, is really just in a sense, trying to screw the other team over... It's hillarious to see the difference between the way people are raised... It's not like it's just the gaming comunity of americans that are racist... it's a big problem through our nation, which will be our downfall... Too bad my "image" is displayed by a majority. Being catagorized can be horrible. as alot of islams and muslims know as well...

Redfang · May 19, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I agree in principal, but it won't stop them. Let me make up a fake racial slur to illustrate so I don't have to use a real one. Pretend "booger" was a racial epithet. If that were blocked, you would see:

b00ger
b0oger
b ooger
boog3r
b*ooger
booger/
b..ooger
bOOger
bOoger

and so on.

It's not as easy to block this stuff as you might think.

There needs to be a button in game you can press that captures the last 20 or so lines of chat and forwards it to customer service with a note about what in it is offensive.

Perishiko ReLLiK · May 19, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfang

I agree in principal, but it won't stop them. Let me make up a fake racial slur to illustrate so I don't have to use a real one. Pretend "booger" was a racial epithet. If that were blocked, you would see:

b00ger
b0oger
b ooger
boog3r
b*ooger
booger/
b..ooger
bOOger
bOoger

and so on.

It's not as easy to block this stuff as you might think.

There needs to be a button in game you can press that captures the last 20 or so lines of chat and forwards it to customer service with a note about what in it is offensive.

I'm not wanting to block the typing, sry if i confused you. I want to get them banned. Their emails are givin for the accounts, so all that anet has to do is send a warning... it happens again, and then they arent allowed to play anymore. Racism is more then a "problem". It's a reason people get murdered. These little kids wouldnt be talking all "tough" if they were in front of these people, and if they did, i'd have to laugh at them, while they lay on the ground. It is a small part of the agreement of playing the game, ill have to find the exact details so i dont sound like im talking out of my ass.

Ramus · May 19, 2005, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Perishiko ReLLiK

We also need to teach these idiot americans(of course not all, im just narrowing it down to the idiots) that koreans CAN and DO speak english... i had one person reply to me "It was just a joke, cause i know they can't speak our language".

You just dug yourself into a very deep hole.

Rellok · May 19, 2005, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramus

You just dug yourself into a very deep hole.

How so? Simply because some will read "idiot americans" as every american is an idiot? Instead of reading it as those americans using racial slurs that he has heard are acting like idiots?

It could maybe have been worded a little better, but then again, most things can. It doesn't change the fact that racism has no place. This game certainly pits the American "world" against the European and Korean. However it's not "Americans" against "Koreans" in the racial sense. There are Americans living in Korea, and vice versa, and you can choose your homeworld.

Matt

Massassi · May 19, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

ignorance is a contagiouse and hereditary disease, a world wide epidemic, that cannot and never will be stopped until it destroys it's self and every inteligent being. There is no cure, no vacine, no human immunity and no healing magic. There is just the lucky and the unlucky.

You want it to stop but it won't. You just have to take comfort in the fact that you are one of the lucky ones and go on with your life.

Blow_Holez · May 19, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Massassi

You want it to stop but it won't. You just have to take comfort in the fact that you are one of the lucky ones and go on with your life.

You got it right Massassi.

ManadartheHealer · May 20, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Racism is irrational and useless. Also, generally only the people lacking intelligence are racist... that is why a lot of people are racist

(although they may beg to differ, but all their excuses are rediculous and sound the same to me

)

Xenogyst · May 20, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Well, I personally regard freedom of speech to be one of the most important and necessary virtues of a democracy, despite that it allows us to spew ignorance just as readily as anything else.

Of course, Guild Wars isn't a democracy; it's a fantasy game with a realm completely owned and maintained by a corporation. Though, part of an MMORPG involves the community of other players, and it is intimately and ultimately responsible for the kind of game play one has.
Indeed, the allowance of people to have and share their opinions, despite what they are, facilitates the allowance of your own. Censorship (banning being an extreme form) will not only do little about the inherent problems in question, but it will increase or create unnecessary reprimanding.

It's bad enough that there is a swear filter. Everyone knows what they are saying. Does the partial blinding of the phrase really detract from the message? Or does it merely give others power over what we say.

Anyway, if verbal racism (though, I would argue that people rag on homosexuals far more than any specific race) is bothering you, there are a few things one can possibly do.

First, don't speak like that yourself.

Second, explain to people using such wordage as to what they are actually saying and why that propagates negative racial understanding. If they don't give a damn, then there is little you can do. However, if enough people don't accept the way they go about things, then they may change their behavior to match social acceptability.

Vangor · May 20, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Freedom of speech is not the ability to insult and harass a person's life, this has been maintained quite frequently, and unless strictly allowed within controlled spheres of influence, then the attempt to use this freedom to insult, harass, antagonize, demean, seperate, whatever else you wish to consider for slurs, is not provided protection, and to utilize this in an area where this is purposefully voiced to not be allowed, just shows the flagrant attempt to use rules to advantage, in other words, a vileness. Not saying you are attempting to, merely stating that the sphere of influence contained on the internet does not allow singular national rights, but grants them the power to create their own.

Not to mention that as much as I hate censorship and could care less about what people say or do since there is an intrinsic karma via society's flow, this idea of not looking is stupid. Fact is, this is the attempt to create a hostile environment, and people cannot be restricted via society as naturally, as the confines are very broad, and the systems are very open. I could continue shouting obscenities day after day throughout a singular district of Lion's Arch, and each time someone leaves, they'd forget my name within five minutes, no one would ever spread word except to say that there was some moron shouting in LA and it got annoying.

Within a communal society, a person could walk up and strike another for words such as those, people would pass word as to actual name and place, and become rather shunned.

Plus, any client base who is harmed by this censorship is vastly smaller than the group who are harmed by the continued allowance, attempts to discuss intelligently would only get more of this verbal garbage thrown about and in their actual direction. That and a few people become scandalized very easily, a person can act as they will and say what they will towards me, I could brush it off, others not as easily, and I'd prefer to use a system which blocks these and enforces against attempts to bypass systems.

We find it odd that in servers such as CS that there are curse filters, and people actually get kicked from servers for doing it a bit too much. Words like hell, damn, even acronyms such as wtf and omfg, I've seen deleted, often replaced with mere dashes in the sentence or some measure to make you look stupid and a reminder not to be vulgar. But, it is their place, and I doubt you can find an intelligent reason to curse, if you could, you'd see the reasons not to in this context far outwaying those to do so.

Ramus · May 20, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rellok

How so? Simply because some will read "idiot americans" as every american is an idiot? Instead of reading it as those americans using racial slurs that he has heard are acting like idiots?

It could maybe have been worded a little better, but then again, most things can. It doesn't change the fact that racism has no place. This game certainly pits the American "world" against the European and Korean. However it's not "Americans" against "Koreans" in the racial sense. There are Americans living in Korea, and vice versa, and you can choose your homeworld.

Matt

Because he is making a post about racism against Europeans but uses the term "Idiot Americans". He lost any and all credibility to post this in my eyes. I have not made any of these comments, nor have any of my friends who are all "Americans". So perhaps he should reword that. And im not sure but the last time I checked American servers did not only include americans.

Arrow Whisper · May 20, 2005, 01:51 AM // 01:51

You make a good point, but I agree with Ramus. Regardless how valid your point was, you lost it all with that comment. Not just because I'm American, because it makes you look like a hypocrite.

JohnCoke · May 20, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramus

Because he is making a post about racism against Europeans but uses the term "Idiot Americans". He lost any and all credibility to post this in my eyes. I have not made any of these comments, nor have any of my friends who are all "Americans". So perhaps he should reword that. And im not sure but the last time I checked American servers did not only include americans.

Bravo Ramus. I believe we think alike ;-). For all we know, those "idiot americans" were simply wording it wrong. Avoid stereotypes, Korean's don't work together as much as you think... I won't even bother using history as an example. As for upbringing, yeh blame it on society and not on the parents and the kid himself. Racism=bad. I agree, so does stereotyping someone who is upset because his nation is losing and can't do anything about it but vent. Maybe it was just a joke... I have two Korean friends that always make fun of us "Americans" and beleive us lower intelligence (in general... i.e. a stereotype). There are many possibilities... but you prefer to blame it on Idiot Americans... don't know the whole story only snippets. Oh and yes I hear it too.. I also hear MORE OFTEN that those Koreans are unbeatable. Soo.... I guess since I hear it more often and we're stereotyping Americans as idiots. Then the Koreans are beatable. Wow. Logic actually worked in this direction. So maybe your right ;-)

shinseikaze · May 20, 2005, 02:01 AM // 02:01

Racist slurs are not even accepted in the REAL world let alone CYBERSPACE........i say ban them

Vangor · May 20, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Actually that is similar to the reaction he is expecting, granted I am doubtful he thought into it as much as I have, and was using it more as deragatory, the fact is calling them idiot americans is truthful, as the districts he is playing in are North American, granted saying idiot americans is implying a stupidity amongst those in the united states, and if one were to say cheap jew there would be an obvious attempt at correlation there as opposed to term with description.

But, I'd say don't feel that he is implying the US is stupid, or that Americans are the only problem, but Rellik, you have lost much of any speaking credibility as to this conversation through that, had you meant it as properly as I said above, you'd probably not have said it for the foresight of the way it would turn out.

Plus, alot of Koreans don't know english, then again they don't need to, and I don't know korean, and then again, I don't need to, but I can say this about them, their current culture has ingrained in it many game mannerisms, there is a huge society based on it most specifically over there, we think we're taking steps with WCG, CXG, CPL, and G4's show Arena, but they've been doing this for far longer for far more adoration. It is not unlikely that many of them will be out farming for equipment as often as possible, spending off hours gaining every single skill possible.

Plus it isn't unlikely that with our greater interaction of various cultures and the obvious melting pot in the United States, that we tend to think along ethnocentric lines, getting frustrated by an inability to communicate as properly as we do in most social settings, and the burden most often being upon the other party for being unable to speak english. This tranfers into games, but, those who feel this way directly about another culture are stupid, and should have a filter on them, as many as possible...

Ramus · May 20, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Vangor

Actually that is similar to the reaction he is expecting, granted I am doubtful he thought into it as much as I have, and was using it more as deragatory, the fact is calling them idiot americans is truthful, as the districts he is playing in are North American, granted saying idiot americans is implying a stupidity amongst those in the united states, and if one were to say cheap jew there would be an obvious attempt at correlation there as opposed to term with description.

But, I'd say don't feel that he is implying the US is stupid, or that Americans are the only problem, but Rellik, you have lost much of any speaking credibility as to this conversation through that, had you meant it as properly as I said above, you'd probably not have said it for the foresight of the way it would turn out.

Plus, alot of Koreans don't know english, then again they don't need to, and I don't know korean, and then again, I don't need to, but I can say this about them, their current culture has ingrained in it many game mannerisms, there is a huge society based on it most specifically over there, we think we're taking steps with WCG, CXG, CPL, and G4's show Arena, but they've been doing this for far longer for far more adoration. It is not unlikely that many of them will be out farming for equipment as often as possible, spending off hours gaining every single skill possible.

Plus it isn't unlikely that with our greater interaction of various cultures and the obvious melting pot in the United States, that we tend to think along ethnocentric lines, getting frustrated by an inability to communicate as properly as we do in most social settings, and the burden most often being upon the other party for being unable to speak english. This tranfers into games, but, those who feel this way directly about another culture are stupid, and should have a filter on them, as many as possible...

Well said, well said.

Striker Shardale · May 20, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

How about this as a re-wording...

There are people whom have been slinging racial/biggotry at others or about others and it has been offending me very much. Most of these people have been seen in the "America" servers and is making me feel embarassed to be called an "American". Although not everyone in the "America" servers is "American" I feel it sets a bad example for those of us who are actual "Americans.

I myself have found all of the biggotry to be quite annoying and should be put some sort of a stop to if taken too far. Yes, there are filters but crap happens all of the time. With the current crap going on all over the world about "fighting terrorism" ((How do you fight terrorism? Terrorism is not a person, place or thing...)) and getting rid of "weapons of mass distruction" ((AKA Weapons of Mass Distraction...where were they anyways?)) It would be nice to just break away from all of this crap and go into a nice little world of trolls, dwarves, shiverpeaks, etc. and just forget about the real world for just a second but instead even when in Guild Wars we have to deal with biggots with no respect at all. I think Perishiko had a good idea in the beginning with putting an end to the biggotry, he/she just needed to word things better.